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groWorld gardens - experimental urban gardens (a'dam, molenbeek), edible gardens, cleansing soil through plants, seedballing (as education), guerilla gardening, roof gardens (vines, wind, hanging gardens), vertical gardens, green roofs (weedscapes), glass-houses, guild planting, urban foraging, wild plant gathering, bonsai rehabilitation project; connecting initiatives in urban gardening - edible city maps, visualising continuous landscapes (google-earth, website...); permaculture for potplants; learning to observe and interact (and follow other permaculture principles); designing permaculture guilds for benelux; listing possible guild members online (for foam gardens and for others); de wilde bertram; extending private edible gardens into parks and between roads; working with city councils for pilot edible public gardens (see futurefarmers / slow food garden in san francisco); seed banks and seed exchange; working in existing biological/biodynamic farms; learning about roof gardening (difference green roofs / roof gardens); best time to start a roof garden - in spring; growing berries for food and solar cells; loop.ph biowall for roof gardens; learing to recognise urban plants; making herbariums; gardening workshops; | groWorld gardens - experimental urban gardens (a'dam, molenbeek), edible gardens, cleansing soil through plants, seedballing (as education), guerilla gardening, roof gardens (vines, wind, hanging gardens), vertical gardens, green roofs (weedscapes), glass-houses, guild planting, urban foraging, wild plant gathering, bonsai rehabilitation project; connecting initiatives in urban gardening - edible city maps, visualising continuous landscapes (google-earth, website...); permaculture for potplants; learning to observe and interact (and follow other permaculture principles); designing permaculture guilds for benelux; listing possible guild members online (for foam gardens and for others); de wilde bertram; extending private edible gardens into parks and between roads; working with city councils for pilot edible public gardens (see futurefarmers / slow food garden in san francisco); seed banks and seed exchange; working in existing biological/biodynamic farms; learning about roof gardening (difference green roofs / roof gardens); best time to start a roof garden - in spring; growing berries for food and solar cells; loop.ph biowall for roof gardens; learing to recognise urban plants; making herbariums; gardening workshops; |
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social networking site; document and database - garden growth online; meteo-station; web-feeds from gardens; making a guide for plant spotters; online gardening databases; observational database; for travellers – a doppler for hr gardens and gardeners, new sightseeing spots on google maps new sites and venues for different events (including an ARG); adding to the "encyclopedia of life" (e.o. wilson) - to search, understand and preserve life - tools to inspire conservation of biodiversity; ecological stewardship; collect observations - community turns stories into numbers that can be used in the game; stories are forum threads, perhaps about particular plants; how to combine the two worlds (physical gardening & plant simulation / game); monitoring emotional states of your plant - observations based on both physical and virtual plants; collective reporting | social networking site; document and database - garden growth online; meteo-station; web-feeds from gardens; making a guide for plant spotters; online gardening databases; observational database; for travellers – a doppler for hr gardens and gardeners, new sightseeing spots on google maps new sites and venues for different events (including an ARG); adding to the "encyclopedia of life" (e.o. wilson) - to search, understand and preserve life - tools to inspire conservation of biodiversity; ecological stewardship; collect observations - community turns stories into numbers that can be used in the game; stories are forum threads, perhaps about particular plants; how to combine the two worlds (physical gardening & plant simulation / game); monitoring emotional states of your plant - observations based on both physical and virtual plants; collective reporting, online map of wild urban edible spots. |
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improvisation (notes from Bronwynn on Narrative Strategies workshop: http://timesup.org/laboratory/NarrativeStrategies/) - what is the story that's in the room - being spontaneous together; 'word at a time story; building a house together, everyone brings one brick; always furthering ideas, not bringing them down; audiences will create narrative bridges; work with myths and archetypes - true across cultures; monomyth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth) vs. science fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction); think about the dramatic arc - it depends on the energy level in the room; audience constructs a story, actors play it out; characters - have to be people we care about - stereotyping, with depth; played out honestly (think about which aspect of yourself relates to the character); people always have an anticipation & expectation - reaction is either satisfaction or surprise; characters and people are always developed in relationship to someone / something; what's fun in a game - taking risks that we wouldn't in real life; "there are no mistakes"; cross-cultural improv - more physical, almost dance-like, using visual forms; it's much more exciting to make a claim than to ask a question in improv | improvisation (notes from Bronwynn on Narrative Strategies workshop: http://timesup.org/laboratory/NarrativeStrategies/) - what is the story that's in the room - being spontaneous together; 'word at a time story; building a house together, everyone brings one brick; always furthering ideas, not bringing them down; audiences will create narrative bridges; work with myths and archetypes - true across cultures; monomyth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth) vs. science fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction); think about the dramatic arc - it depends on the energy level in the room; audience constructs a story, actors play it out; characters - have to be people we care about - stereotyping, with depth; played out honestly (think about which aspect of yourself relates to the character); people always have an anticipation & expectation - reaction is either satisfaction or surprise; characters and people are always developed in relationship to someone / something; what's fun in a game - taking risks that we wouldn't in real life; "there are no mistakes"; cross-cultural improv - more physical, almost dance-like, using visual forms; it's much more exciting to make a claim than to ask a question in improv |
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Patabotany - Starting from real plants, growing increasingly more fictional; the healthier your physical garden, the more fantastic your virtual plant; patabotany is an exercise in reality integration. Living & non-living -> plants and minerals (ornaments); plants & maths (simulation - internet = human mycellium); plants & stories (stories, characters, myths); plants & plants (guild gardening); plants & animals (lifecycles & food-webs); plants & machines (bionic organisms & biomimicry); growing ship sin a forest...; pataphorise 7 layers and 5 functions of a permaculture guild - pataphorising = assuming a metaphor is true & make a metaphor on top; the voice of hildegard; plant signalling - more pata aspects - the language of plants | Patabotany - Starting from real plants, growing increasingly more fictional; the healthier your physical garden, the more fantastic your virtual plant; patabotany is an exercise in reality integration. Living & non-living -> plants and minerals (ornaments); plants & maths (simulation - internet = human mycellium); plants & stories (stories, characters, myths); plants & plants (guild gardening); plants & animals (lifecycles & food-webs); plants & machines (bionic organisms & biomimicry); growing ships in a forest...; create pataphors of the 7 layers and 5 functions of a permaculture guild - pataphor = assuming a metaphor is true & creating a metaphor on that; the voice of hildegard; plant signalling - more pata- aspects - the language of plants. |
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==== HPI (Human-Plant-Interaction) ==== | ==== HPI (Human-Plant-Interaction) ==== |
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Exercise in HPI - things that didn't exist but could... ; how do you make people feel like plants (a whole forest, rather than an individual plant); looking at longer time-scales; a shirt that grows on you; rooftop gardens that grow new roofs; butoh dancer next to a cactus plant - how do we as humans get into slower time cycles?; how do plant fluids / human fluids circulate? How to make a HPI tactile?; plants as organisational principles - looking at large scale eco-system shifts (deforestation, custody of the amazon rainforest; recolonisation - who is responsible for natural resources (buying up, or public preservation - is privatisation ok?); if 1/2 of cuba would be covered by solar cells, there would be enough energy for the whole world; hydrogen economy - plants are storing energy in form of sugars (batteries) - human society mimics plant structure on a global level; Hildegard von Bingen & St. Frances - a spiritual element of HPI; ethnobiology and development of human mind; a pre-historic viriditas' | Exercise in [[HPI]] - things that didn't exist but could... ; how do you make people feel like plants (maybe a whole forest, rather than an individual plant); looking at longer time-scales; a shirt that grows on you; rooftop gardens that grow new roofs; butoh dancer next to a cactus plant - how do we as humans get into slower time cycles?; how do plant fluids / human fluids circulate? How to make a HPI tactile?; plants as organisational principles - looking at large scale eco-system shifts (deforestation, custody of the amazon rainforest; recolonisation - who is responsible for natural resources (buying up, or public preservation - is privatisation ok?); if 1/2 cuba would be covered by solar cells, there would be enough energy for the whole world (but still a distribution problem); hydrogen economy - plants are storing energy in form of sugars (batteries) - human society mimics plant structure on a global level; Hildegard von Bingen & St. Frances - a spiritual element of HPI; ethnobiology and development of human mind; a pre-historic viriditas' |
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Hybrid reality gardens, for a closer interaction between plants and humans. Connecting existing initiatives together - how do we learn from each other?; games and connections - can we take care of a physical garden?; games - cultivation, growing, meditative place, community in game design.; a science fiction story to teach life cycles, where characters are based on facts; Different axis of hybridisation - physical & digital, game & life, fact & fiction; self-assembly (from biomimicry, cellular automata); using movement of wood for small robots; plant-insect hybrids; tension - what is real and what isn't; augmentation – technological, cultural?; cultivation of humans and plants; what can we do? mapping, bundling, integrating hr gardens around the world, providing systems, kits and techniques for augmented gardening; why? coming in contact with others interested in hr gardening, building up the competence, learning things from each other; using the network to get access to technologies and people; simulated gardens facilitate connections, they can be used for speculations on HCH ideas, as fictional, more 'futuristic' extensions of the garden; playing music to plants to enhance proteins (joel sternheimer) - can we design a game melody that can be transmitted to plants from servers - 'plant radio'?; enhancing the 'gardening experience' | Hybrid reality gardens, for a closer interaction between plants and humans. Connecting existing initiatives together - how do we learn from each other?; games and connections - can we take care of a physical garden?; games - cultivation, growing, meditative place, community in game design.; a science fiction story to teach life cycles, where characters are based on facts; Different axis of hybridisation - physical & digital, game & life, fact & fiction; self-assembly (from biomimicry, cellular automata); using movement of wood for small robots; plant-insect hybrids; tension - what is real and what isn't; augmentation – technological, cultural?; cultivation of humans and plants; what can we do? mapping, bundling, integrating hr gardens around the world, providing systems, kits and techniques for augmented gardening; why? coming in contact with others interested in hr gardening, building up the competence, learning things from each other; using the network to get access to technologies and people; simulated gardens facilitate connections, they can be used for speculations on HCH ideas, as fictional, more 'futuristic' extensions of the garden; playing music to plants to enhance proteins (joel sternheimer) - can we design a game melody that can be transmitted to plants from servers - 'plant radio'?; enhancing the 'gardening experience' |
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Sensing (in-plant, in plant's environment) - in plant - moisture - activation potential, soil Ph, pickup mikes (for in-game ambience), cameras - expensive; for growth - best with rulers and cameras, for chemicals - look at DIY chemistry (both could be a part of the ARG); plant communication - sophisticated biochemistry; calibration of sensors is a problem - what do we do with uncalibrated ones?; observation - activity & using imagination - no need for sensor-kit? see plant sensing in wageningen | Sensing (in-plant, in plant's environment) - in plant - moisture - activation potential, soil Ph, pickup mikes (for in-game ambience), cameras - expensive; for growth - best with rulers and cameras, for chemicals - look at DIY chemistry (both could be a part of the ARG); plant communication - sophisticated biochemistry; calibration of sensors is a problem - what do we do with uncalibrated ones?; observation - activity & using imagination - no need for sensor-kit? see plant sensing in wageningen. see also; [[plant sensing]] |
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MR elements: additional layer of textual information for people who prefer experience to reading | MR elements: additional layer of textual information for people who prefer experience to reading |
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see:[[groworld_hybrid gardens]] | see:[[groworld hybrid gardens]] |
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Plant simulation; different models for plant growth (hormonal - elongation & contraction, division), circulatory systems (phloem & xylem) - plant metabolism; recordings of physical plant growth looks artificial (L-systems) - what do we do to make it more interesting; biomorphism & fantastic botanical morphologies; botanical.com - botanical drawings, medicinal plants, witchcraft & mythology; look at plant movement (on libarynth); different scales in simulated gardens; cliffsnotes.com - looking at different cycles of plants - cellular, hormonal, circulatory, diurnal, seasonal, generational; what do plants make choices about (see plant neurophysiology); how do we get people into the 'vegetal mind'?; growth simulation - you start underground, then viewpoint changes as you grow (camera zooms out); which plant activities can we abstract? | Plant simulation; different models for plant growth (hormonal - elongation & contraction, division), circulatory systems (phloem & xylem) - plant metabolism; recordings of physical plant growth looks artificial (L-systems) - what do we do to make it more interesting; biomorphism & fantastic botanical morphologies; botanical.com - botanical drawings, medicinal plants, witchcraft & mythology; look at plant movement (on libarynth); different scales in simulated gardens; cliffsnotes.com - looking at different cycles of plants - cellular, hormonal, circulatory, diurnal, seasonal, generational; what do plants make choices about (see plant neurophysiology); how do we get people into the 'vegetal mind'?; growth simulation - you start underground, then viewpoint changes as you grow (camera zooms out); which plant activities can we abstract? |
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Plant game; how do we engage players? are they 'authors' of the garden?; a mixture of world-building and art-worlds - gardening a particular aesthetics; where is the cybernetic regulatory system of the garden?; how do you make things appear like stuff is moving all the time?; patabotanic garden "forcing" people to get into the vegetal mind (vegetable mind is racist); role playing a plant, not gardening; how do you perceive different types of time in the garden?; playing a species, rather then a single entity. Start as a creature + resource management; bees - fertilisation (autonomous characters?); non-players can look at a garden through a window, from a website (can only watch, not interact); time-lapse movie can appear at the end of each day; autonomous characters are actual gardens & plants; game-play is a continuous finding of balance; game should have elements of sacrifice; discouraging monoculture; encouraging more sustainable behaviour through game dynamics; synthetic nature - algorithmic (mahematical, generative) + ornamentation (growing gothic, or art nouveau ornaments) - new hybrids, stylisation; evolution of the garden - through hybridisation; curatorpillars - preserving style and consinstency; slow evolution through generations; cyclical nature of seasons - there is a particular time for particular things; time-based resource allocation; different geographic regions in the garden; what are different plant behaviours (tricksters, seducers); can several players play one character (plant grows lopsided if a player decides to disengage); very large trees - a group of players has to become a community) - trees provide shadow for new plants (mushrooms, epiphytes...); parasite disease for ugly plants; cycles of high & old growth; computational resources - asking players to share their servers/processor time - stronger plants can grow; the game is not about wanting, but about being - competition (through persistence and slowness) + collaboration; plants in the game have 'real' origins, becoming more fictional as the game progresses; make players be like plants - not scientific visualisation; we're all veg, just don't know it; making the interface irrelevant; using different interfaces to engage in the game - email, cell-phones, wikis...; a slow game - you have to be there & persist; (internet) radio could broadcast weather reports from the garden (transmitted from the eco-system sentience); phone the garden and hear the weather (nick herbert, quantum typewriter); aggressive plants - do you have to pay to be a bramble?; distributed client game; who will be responsible for the maintenance?; which aspects can be commercialised - "grow your own player" kits, merch, voluntary payments, subscriptions by sms; moo-cards of plants (if you subscribe) - flip-books & time-lapse movies; how can we make sure that the garden is sustainable (not dependent on us only)? - open src, community IRL & in-game; servers (back-end of eco-system has to be open for new clients), easily replicable; long term; inter-gardens communication protocol (things grow on different servers); each client is an incubator; how do you experience the world as a plant? - visual interface - stylised interpretation of plant perception; when playing a plant, you only experience one small part of the garden. when the wind blows, there are more pheromones in the air, some parts of the environment become clearer - 'first plant shooter'?; what is the viewpoint?: how do we encourage emphatic connection with multiple plants; a generative database that can be visualised through different games - a window into the garden through "guest visualisers" - you can be in the garden, but can't BE the garden; at night, in the game, consciousness descends underground - a different game is played; special moments at dawn and dusk; cycles of colours of flowers depending on the season; what kinds of games can you play online - passive multiplayer online games?; looking at the world from another species p.o.v. (cure for disease of human self-importance); do players need a potplant? - you either have to be a very good in lying, or (easier) get a potplant (see myfolia) - but we should make it not too easy to cheat; only humans start as seeds?; non committed players turn into compost; time and space in the game: fast processes - microscopic, the pata-aspects - only temporary effects - assimetric, shimmering, fantastic / slow processes - macroscopic, resource management, slow game based on plant decisions & neurophysiology --> does this mean designing two games?; people should be forced to collaborate; stationary adventure - travel by moving earth; having a feeling that the system itself is alive; how do you choose to be a plant? perhaps all plants start the same, new player comes in, attraction to regions where they're needed; playing a species - 5 types of seeds (based on guild functions), that grow into a variety of plants - depending on place, decisions, interactions; environment of the garden - complex - different types of soil & microclimates; no centre, two centres, infinite centres; plants create soil by activity (that's how the garden grows); magic the gardening - change the rules & make simple interactions quickly - prototying without a computer; what actually happens? - inputs & outputs - how do you keep 1 plant alive; history of neglect affect the shape of a plant; there should be no end; plants that are not managed die off - first sustained, but different weather conditions kill it over time; inhabited / non inhabited plants; what happens when you go on holiday? - autopilot that is slowly heading for the ground, the plant doesn't grow, but sustain itself - gaia processes take over; how does a plant die? what happens to non-player plants?; logic and rules based on guild functions & layers; | Plant game; how do we engage players? are they 'authors' of the garden?; a mixture of world-building and art-worlds - gardening a particular aesthetics; where is the cybernetic regulatory system of the garden?; how do you make things appear like stuff is moving all the time?; patabotanic garden "forcing" people to get into the vegetal mind (vegetable mind is specieist); role playing a plant, not gardening; how do you perceive different types of time in the garden?; playing a species, rather then a single entity. Start as a creature -> resource management; bees - fertilisation (autonomous characters?); non-players can look at a garden through a window, e.g. from a website (can only watch, not interact); time-lapse movie could appear at the end of each day; autonomous characters are actual gardens & plants; game-play is a continuous finding of balance; game should have elements of sacrifice; discouraging monoculture; encouraging more sustainable behaviour through game dynamics; synthetic nature - algorithmic (mathematical, generative) + ornamentation (growing gothic, or art nouveau ornaments) - new hybrids, stylisation; evolution of the garden - through hybridisation; curatorpillars - preserving style and consistency; slow evolution through generations; cyclical nature of seasons - there is a particular time for particular things; time-based resource allocation; different geographic regions in the garden; what are different plant behaviours? (tricksters, seducers,...); can several players play one character (plant grows lopsided if a player decides to disengage); very large trees - a group of players has to become a community) - trees provide shadow for new plants (mushrooms, epiphytes...); parasites or disease for 'ugly' plants; cycles of high & old growth; computational resources - asking players to share their servers/processor time - stronger plants can grow; the game is not about wanting, but about being - competition (through persistence and slowness) & collaboration; plants in the game have 'real' origins, becoming more fictional as the game progresses; make players be like plants - not scientific visualisation; we're all vegetal, just don't know it; making the interface irrelevant; using different interfaces to engage in the game - email, cell-phones, wikis...; a slow game - you have to be there & persist; (internet) radio could broadcast weather reports from the garden (transmitted from a sentient eco-system); phone the garden and hear the weather (nick herbert, quantum typewriter); aggressive plants - do you have to pay to be a bramble?; distributed client game; who will be responsible for the maintenance?; which aspects can be commercialised - "grow your own player" kits, merch., voluntary payments, subscriptions by sms; moo-cards of plants (if you subscribe) - flip-books & time-lapse movies; how can we make sure that the garden is sustainable (not dependent on us only)? - opensource, community IRL & in-game; servers (back-end of eco-system has to be open for new clients), easily replicable; long term; inter-gardens communication protocol (things growing on different servers); each client as an incubator; how do you experience the world as a plant? - visual interface - stylised interpretation of plant perception; when playing a plant, you only experience one small part of the garden. when the wind blows, there are more pheromones in the air, some parts of the environment become clearer - 'first plant shooter'?; what is the viewpoint?: how do we encourage emphatic connection with multiple plants; a generative database that can be visualised through different games - a window into the garden through "guest visualisers" - you can be in the garden, but can't BE the garden; at night, in the game, consciousness descends underground - a different game is played; special moments at dawn and dusk; cycles of colours of flowers depending on the season; what kinds of games can you play online - passive multiplayer online games?; looking at the world from another species p.o.v. (cure for disease of human self-importance); do players need a potplant? - you either have to be a very good in lying, or (easier) get a potplant (see myfolia) - but we should make it not too easy to cheat; only humans start as seeds?; non committed players turn into compost; time and space in the game: fast processes - microscopic, the pata-aspects - only temporary effects - asymetric, shimmering, fantastic / slow processes - macroscopic, resource management, slow game based on plant decisions & neurophysiology --> does this mean designing two (or more) sub-games?; people should be forced to collaborate; stationary adventure - travel by moving earth; having a feeling that the system itself is alive; how do you choose to be a plant? perhaps all plants start the same, new player comes in, attraction to regions where they're needed; playing a species - 5 types of seeds (based on guild functions), that grow into a variety of plants - depending on place, decisions, interactions; environment of the garden - complex - different types of soil & microclimates; no centre, two centres, infinite centres; plants create soil by activity (that's how the garden grows); magic the gardening - change the rules & make simple interactions quickly - prototyping without a computer; what actually happens? - inputs & outputs - how do you keep 1 plant alive; history of neglect affect the shape of a plant; there should be no end; plants that are not managed die off - first sustained, but different weather conditions kill it over time; inhabited / non inhabited plants; what happens when you go on holiday? - autopilot that is slowly heading for the ground, the plant doesn't grow, but sustain itself - gaia processes take over; how does a plant die? what happens to non-player plants?; logic and rules based on guild functions & layers; |
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Prototyping - simple rules, see if the interaction & experience design work; to prototype for the game: logic, visuals of how things would grow | Prototyping - simple rules, see if the interaction & experience design work; to prototype for the game: logic, visuals of how things would grow |
==== Workshops ==== | ==== Workshops ==== |
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See [[luminous]] [[media_ecologies]]) | See [[/luminous/start|luminous green]], [[media_ecologies_workshop]] |
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Purpose of workshops - to raise awareness, to (un)make things (watch out with usage of materials - how does found material influence shape?) | Purpose of workshops - to raise awareness, to (un)make things (watch out with usage of materials - how does found material influence shape?) |
See [[open sauces]] | See [[open sauces]] |
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Food events - to glue community together. Test & study dinners. Markers & milestones - tryouts & rehearsals. | Food events - to glue community together. Test & study dinners. Markers & milestones - try outs & rehearsals. |
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==== De-installation art ==== | ==== De-installation art ==== |
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De-installations - working together with artists to design & de-install (take apart into re-usable components) their artwork. A service for trade-fairs, museums, festivals. Make a manifesto for de-installation & self-disasembly (talk to Etoy about this). LIREC - looking at robot disassembly. Unmaking things - where there is excess of consumption - reduce it! De-installation of design festival in Singapore - (Utter rubbish - post-consumer waste) Leave no trace aesthetics. Against gadgetisation of culture. How do we communicate this as a part of our work? Doing a series of de-installations - redistributions, recycling, re-tailoringabsorption (collaborative project). Creation by destruction. Moving from objects to experience, products to services. Edible arts. What is a software equivalent of de-featuring devices? | De-installations - working together with artists to design & de-install (take apart into re-usable components) their artwork. A service for trade-fairs, museums, festivals. Make a manifesto for de-installation & self-dissasembly (talk to Etoy about this). LIREC - looking at robot disassembly. Unmaking things - where there is excess of consumption - reduce it! De-installation of design festival in Singapore - (Utter rubbish - post-consumer waste) Leave no trace aesthetics. Against gadgetisation of culture. How do we communicate this as a part of our work? Doing a series of de-installations - redistributions, recycling, re-tailoring absorption (collaborative project). Creation by destruction. Moving from objects to experience, products to services. Edible arts. What is a software equivalent of de-featuring devices? |
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==== NNNI - Nothing Can Surprise Us, Future Prehearsals ==== | ==== NNNI - Nothing Can Surprise Us, Future Prehearsals ==== |
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focusing on possible inventions (when future happens) - e.g. camping on water (lifeboat camping) - focus in inspiring things that can grow out of disasters, rather than disasters themselves; prehearsals for future societies; future rituals (wine festivals, seasonal festivals) - plant-based celebrations - what are the new plant rituals - combination of organic and futuristic | [[NNNI]] - focusing on possible inventions (when future happens) - e.g. camping on water (lifeboat camping) - focus in inspiring things that can grow out of disasters, rather than disasters themselves; prehearsals for future societies; future rituals (wine festivals, seasonal festivals) - plant-based celebrations - what are the new plant rituals - combination of organic and futuristic |
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* do a situational map of the field and the forces acting on it + forecast most promising avenues | * do a situational map of the field and the forces acting on it + forecast most promising avenues |
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